PKR, if you do not sack your man, your ship will sink.
The rotten apple is creating nonsense in your camp and you allow him to do it ? Think twice, get his place out and get a by-election.
His view about the conversion forum is tarnishing the democracy process.
The rotten apple is creating nonsense in your camp and you allow him to do it ? Think twice, get his place out and get a by-election.
His view about the conversion forum is tarnishing the democracy process.
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Bloody fanatics using the non Malays to come to power
Anwar whats ur stand, sack this Bas%$#D
i think we should be fair to each other...the protestor too have their right.... the problem is u guys cannot accept the freedom of others to act and speech..... so lets b fair to ourself first.
1. a Muslim who had converted to christianity had his dead body confiscated by the Christians on his funeral day ?
2. can u imagine what would happen if a newly converted Christian father converts his 2 muslim children to Christianity without his Muslim wife's permission ?
There cant be one rule for Muslims and another for non Muslims. Both are human beings and both have and share the same feelings.
Zulkefli is a racist fanatic and so is Salahuddin Ayob and both should be arrested for inciting racial hatred.
Instead of shouting on the road like uncivilised barbarians both Zulkefli and Salahuddin should have attended the forum and argued their points.
The prefer to behave like Taliban uncivilised people instead.
shalom
I think the non muslims in this country have been very tolerant.
Can you imagine what we the Muslims would have done if
1. a Christian walks into our home and say our dead Muslim dad is actually a Christian and takes his body away ?
2. a new Christian [ initially a Muslim ] converts and then tries to convert is 2 young Muslim sons aged 4yrs and 2 yrs without the permission of his former Muslim wife ?
3. Mosques broken in the name of illigetimacy or on state land excuses ?
I think the non Muslims have been VERY tolerant if we compare to what we have done yesterday. If they cant even discuss what happens to their people/ religion in these situation where do they go ?
The Quran is written by Allah agreed, but our constitution was written by man.
Muslims should be rationale. If indeed our religion is perfect, this is not the way to behave.
I'm sorry
1. If anyone thinks as a Malaysian at heart you will never support any of the current political parties who speaks only about championing or protecting their own race and religious interests. Whether it comes from UMNO, PAS, MCA, MIC, PKR, Gerakan, Hindraf, PBS, DAP, PPP or whatever new name it’s called racism and whoever supports that party is called a racist. It is no different from apartheid. It dirties and poison your soul.
2. Those who are racists but speak with a fork tongue (Jeyklls), hiding it behind other causes like religion, meritocracy, education, poverty etc are even worse than clear cut racists and can only fit into the category of satans.
3. Malaysian racists and the MSN have corrupted the following words which meant differently in other countries ex. nationalism, patriotism, royalists, freedom, liberty, corruption, democracy etc.
4. Power, Greed and Selfishness rule in Malaysia and now we include Racism and Satanism.
More facts at http://patek1472.wordpress.com
NATIONAL MIC YOUTH COORDINATOR
T.MOHAN
THE MIC YOUTH STRONGLY CONDEMNS THE TACTICS OF IRRESPONSIBLE GROUPS IN DISRUPTING THE BAR COUNCIL FORUM ON CONVERSION TO ISLAM IN KUALA LUMPUR TODAY.
THEIR ACTIONS IS A STEP BACKWARD TOWARDS THE UNITY AND RELIGIOUS HARMONY AMONGST THE VARIOUS RACES IN MALAYSIA ENVISIONED UNDER VISION 2020.
WE ARE DISAPPOINTED WITH THE GROUPS FOR FAILING TO ALLOW THE DISCUSSION OF THE ISSUES OF INTER-FAITH IN A MATURE AND RESPONSIBLE MANNER.
THE BAR COUNCIL HAS REITERATED THAT THE FORUM ON RELIGIOUS CONVERSION WAS NOT TO QUESTION THE PROVISIONS OF ARTICLE 121 (A)
OF THE CONSTITUTION BUT TO ADDRESS THE CONFLICTS OF LAWS FACING FAMILIES CAUGHT BETWEEN THE SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS OF CIVIL AND SYARIAH LAWS.
THE MIC YOUTH REALISE THE NECESSITY OF THE ABOVE FORUM AS IT WILL CLARIFY CONFUSION OF THE CONCERNED GROUP AND WILL BE A BASE FOR GUIDELINE FOR THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING TO CONVERT TO THEIR ORIGINAL RELIGION DUE TO THEIR PERSONAL JUDGEMENT.
WE BELIEVE OPEN DISCUSSIONS AND DIALOGUES ON THE PROBLEMS ARISING OUT OF THE SYARIAH AND CIVIL COURTS SEPARATE JURISDICTIONS AND OTHER ISSUES TO RELIGIOUS CONVERSIONS ARE IMPERATIVE TO FIND SOLUTIONS.
THERE ARE SO MANY CASES WHERE INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WERE AFFECTED BECAUSE OF THE CONVERSION IN AND OUT OF ISLAM. MANY WHO HAD CONVERTED WERE ALSO IN A DILEMMA AS THEY WERE UNABLE TO REVERT TO THEIR FORMER RELIGION.
WE STRONGLY BELIEVE THESE GROUPS SHOULD HAVE USED THE FORUM TO COME AND GIVE THEIR VIEWS INSTEAD OF ACTING HIGH-HANDEDLY AND FORCING THE CANCELLATION OF THE FORUM.
WE ARE DISAPPOINTED THAT THE POLICE HAD ALSO FAILED TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THESE GROUPS FOR STAGING DEMONSTRATIONS AND HAD INSTEAD ASKED BAR COUNCIL TO CANCEL THE FORUM.
THE MIC YOUTH IS ALSO CONCERNED WITH THE STATEMENTS MADE BY CERTAIN LEADERS WHO HAD STRONGLY OPPOSED THE FORUM AS IT HAS CAUSED RESENTMENT AMONGST THE NON MUSLIMS
THEY SEEM TO HAVE IGNORED THE FACT THAT THE BAR COUNCIL HAS ALREADY CLARIFIED THAT THE FORUM WAS TO ADDRESS THE CONFLICTS OF LAW.
THEY SHOULD HAVE COME OUT WITH THEIR PROPOSALS IN ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF NON-MUSLIM HUSBANDS WHO ABANDON THEIR SPOUSES AND THEIR FAMILIES AND CONVERT INTO ISLAM RATHER THAN TO STOP A LEGITIMATE FORUM.
THE MIC YOUTH ALSO CALL ON HINDRAF TO PUBLICLY STATE THEIR STAND AS THE GROUP WHO OPPOSED THE FORUM WAS LED BY A PARTI KEADILAI RAKYAT MP. IS THIS WHAT HINDRAF GETS FOR SUPPORTING PKR IN THE GENERAL ELECTION?
ENDS
its already 50 years from merdeka... what else do u want from us so we can only be called 'RAKYAT MALAYSIA'??
Your suggestion for Bar Council to hold forum on " Is Christianity True or just another man made religion " , " Cow as God " and telecast it life around the world.........
Is this your explanation about how our 1400 year old religion is the perfect religion ?
what if Ambiga and Co suggest you have a forum on " Why pray facing a black box ", or " Terrorists - Does my religion what it " and video it acroiss the universe....
You insensitivity is sick ! Put your name if you dare
Article 121 [1A] is written by UMNO/ Barisan Nasional
Hello..wat do you mean by say Prophet Muhammad S.A.W should born again n teach his children..Don't be so emotional..Not his fault, if some of Muslim had bad person..U should study Comparative Religion,know all the religion that exist in this world..And u can see that all the religion (Islam, Christian,Buddha,Hindhuism and etc) teach us to become a good person not only for himself, but to the community and nation...Our maybe u a atheis??
u ingat bn tu tak buat protest ???ramai barua diaorang masa protest.a lot more would have come but they were too busy fighting among themselves.diaorang tu pun holier than thou bastards juga.
Sabar jerla.when pr is in power, we flush out all these intolerant muslims and umno minded Malays.
Now the common enemy is UMNO.
And besides,having this forum was a complete waste of time.who is it that the bar council wants to convince??the Muslims??aiyooo.when it comes to religion, rationality is thrown out of the window.
Don't let these hooligans turn Islam in Malaysia from a dearly, respected 'Religion' into a violent 'Political Ideology' like 20th century Communism!
Flush out these dogs!
Some and a few PR leaders will drop off along the hard road towards 'Mandate from Heaven this Nation awaits'.
Kulim Bandar Baru "Election Court forced by-election" is coming soon.
Hope Pakatan Rakyat PKR leadership will field another new & real multi-racial candidate to contest.
Syabas Barisan Rakyat .
We are back to square ONE...after all my efforts supporting PK for a change, a change for a PKR govt. Where do we go from here? "Babi, balik Cina"?
I seriously thought, we are heading for a change, what are we changing for, racist muslims in power?
I hope Anwar will take a strong stand on this fanatics, sack these few bad hats. You must let us see racism has no place in PK and in the nation, we are simply, Malaysians working together for a bright future, benefit goes to all, immaterial of race.
Hope this will not be repeated this uncalled behavior or I will abandon ship!!
dsai will guarantee to lose
in permatang pauh and will head towards sg buluh prison instead of putrajaya.
zulkifli is an agent of UMNO.
it is a beautiful dream.... it could be just remain as a dream forever. or perhaps 4040 not 2020.
By Davy de Verteuil, Trinidad & Tobago
1. Why the Bar Council idea should not be considered malicious and provocative?
2. What dialogue is the Bar Council "you" seeking from a people with a 1400 year custom?
3. Why is the Bandar Kulim MP label a hard liner now?
While your claim of India like China having more Muslims than Malaysia that does not denote the influence and founding institutions by way of numbers, Malaysia is a sovereign country and no nation sovereignty is determined by its size.
For your information Islam and Muslims are violently kept in check both in China Kashmir and India proper. So have a good look before you attempt to trivialise the Malays inalienable right to guard their customs and way of life.
However I implore the Malay people; it is not proper that you refer to your fellow humankind as pigs- this is an insult also to God and His messengers. We are all part of the human family created by GOD and this goes against the essence of Islamic enlightenment.
Have you ‘Bar Council’ not realized the hatred from respondents in the many blogs in Malaysia?
What are you telling us that this reactionary behaviour is entirely the Muslims fault also?
I disagree with the name calling yet I refuse to pander to the Bar Council’s condescension of innocence as they claim that the call was merely to discuss. The Bar Council’s determination and wilful defiance, its sarcasms betray the rational here. This is not a professional institution representing issues of Law and Justice but a group rearing to displace a people and their indigenous right. The Bar’s actions are fraught with ulterior motives and could erode the little trust form the nation’s majority.
In my honest opinion this group of legal individuals have attack the constitution of Malaysia as they use their offices to challenge and turn over the constitution through an assembly outside of parliament.
This isn’t freedom of any kind rather it’s a recipe for anarchy neither is this the defence of any community but an affront to disenfranchise the other. The Bar Council acted like a legal and intellectual entity toward bulling the Malays.
Riling any group of people invigorates extremism and the Bar Council should blame itself for the near fracas it brought about. Transformations are taking place in South &Latin America and in Africa where the indigenous have been marginalised brutalised that left various cultures extinct as the Élite are on the offensive yet here in Malaysia the Early people are told that their ways and customs are unacceptable which form a historical point of view goes against the very grain of freedom liberty and justice.
To All quarters, until you all come to appreciate that none can move the sun and the moon from where they stand there will always be antagonism.
The Bar Council attempt to diminish indigenous Muslim rights and customs in an all too pretentious dialogue is a betrayal of civility and boarders on a malicious coup, they know all too well that attacking Islam tantamount to declaring war on its forbearers.
Perhaps they were testing the soil but they were overwhelmed by a small band determined not to spare as much as a spark.
The March 8 election results and the current political uncertainty was not due to Muslim or Islamic traditions in Malaysia but that failures for accountability unbridled corruption and ineptitude across the board were dragging the nation down.
There are elements (Bar Council)who believe that this is an opportune moment to belt the Muslims and ransom the country of its norms and founding traditions- well sorry....That demo sound a warning otherwise.
And for those of you sighting the US as an example on any issues of democracy freedom and justice - by GOD you don't have to go there - just read....I lived and was educated in the US and Canada; you have no idea of the US except for its Hollywood and media fallacies impressed on the rest of the world.
Judging from your disgusted ill or uninformed or both; points of views I can only ask: are you all happy with the slaughter of over 1million Iraqis and the pretext by which this mass killings were executed? For your information they weren't all Muslims though majority are and the thousands of brown Christians who were considered collateral damage that perished.
I have not read or experience similar out pouring of hatred towards Britain and the US as I am witnessing here both by the host blogger and its contributors.
How dare you site America as an example where it contains the biggest prison population in the world/history and the black brown and chinky eye peoples are often targets of abuse due to inherent unrepentant racist that forms America's reactionary safety valve?
Why is it that in Malaysia the indigenous have to surrender their traditions and customs because it is deemed unfair when at the same time you “Bar Council” wished to invoke your customs and perceived rights as equitable and just? Aren't the Malay Muslims losing their rights then? I am not afraid to say this; The Malays like everyone else are this nation, but they Malays are the earlier ones; like it or not, that carries a lot of weight as much as Right.
I will always know my rights in the house of my in-laws no other method in adoption will have me fooled.
From the desk of an Arawak African & Indian in ‘ONE’ on the beautiful Islands in the Caribbean.
Arawak is a people or tribe who is refer to as American Indian or Red Indian.
Indigenous rights are my struggle- No apology.
ii) sigh...UMNO's scheme succeeded. PAKATAN nincompoops fell for it.
iii) think, do you see ANY umno guys there? think!
iv) stupid PAKATAN pas youth chief and PKR mp fell for it. all because their succumbed to hysteria (they always do).
v) UMNO knows how to play dirty. they certainly won this round.
vi) i voted for PAKATAN pru12. i'd still stick with PAKATAN pru13. but that PAS and PKR fellas have to go.
vii) for PAKATAN's sake, for the nation's sake, i am willing to look beyond the mistakes of one or two goons. but only this time.
viii) dear PAKATAN, UMNO's scheme to chip away bit by bit my KUASA RAKYAT in you has succeeded this time around.
ix) BUCK UP!!!
Before you ask PKR to sack Zulkifli Noordin, why dont you 1st ask UMNO to sack the ADUN Halimah of Perak who used derogatory remarks against the Perak State Assembly speaker and the MP Tajuddin Ramly who likes to ask non Malay students not to expect government scholarships for overseas education.
So Islam first, so what ? is it the Islam slaughter the christian and moslem in India ? is it Islam the one who bombard civilian in Iraq and vietnam ? is it islam that slaughtered the croat in Crotia ? is it Islam that thirst for blood in palestine.....
Bark as you can , but by GOD will, they will always people like Zulkiflin Noordin to put things accordingly...So shut the fuck up